Curse

Kais Unduli · Dec 17, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Instead of Final Thrust, I'd bring either Sun and Moon Slash or Silverwing Slash/Galrath Slash. If done right, both of these skills will recharge after using Dragon Slash. Other than that, it's a decent build.

As someone mentioned before, if you're concerned about taking care of yourself somewhat, Mending Touch or Restful Breeze help a lot, but those are Nightfall skills.

Nexus Icon · Dec 17, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by jesh

The other one is in the Ranmasu Gardens, it's called something something treasure. You get it from the guy that's close to storage.
You can always do what I do, get whatever ugly looking helm there is that gives what you want, (swordsmanship), for 1.5k and just press I to turn it off. I don't even bother to match my helms to my armor, because I can just turn it off.

So Tyrian characters can do Canthan attribute point quests instead of their own?
Or did you just miss the part where he said his warrior was from the first game?
If Tyrians CAN do Canthan 15 point quests, that's cool

Excaliburs Chaos · Dec 17, 2006, 11:38 PM // 23:38

Thanks Jesh i have already done them and i found out on Wiki.

And Nexus you cant, if you go on wiki and look at the attribute quests (just search for "Attribute Quests") it mentions a couple of times say on Forgotten Wisdom for Tyrian Chars it says its for Tyrian Characters only, so u can only get 30 attribute points.

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Originally Posted by GuildWiki

Attribute quests are quests that grant you extra attribute points as reward. Every player should seek these out and complete them, although these quests are among the more difficult and complex in the game. You can only complete the Attribute quests from your homeland; so a Tyrian character cannot do Lost Treasure or An Unwelcome Guest, and a party containing a Tyrian character will not be able to do them either (non-native born party members appear to be able to help in these quests now, but do not get quests or rewards).

There are only 2 Attribute Quests in each campaign, giving you 15 attribute points each:

Prophecies:
Forgotten Wisdom
The Hero's Challenge

Factions:
Lost Treasure
An Unwelcome Guest

Nightfall:
Rising in the Ranks: First Spear
Rising in the Ranks: Sunspear Master Sergeant

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Originally Posted by Kais Unduli

Instead of Final Thrust, I'd bring either Sun and Moon Slash or Silverwing Slash/Galrath Slash. If done right, both of these skills will recharge after using Dragon Slash. Other than that, it's a decent build.

As someone mentioned before, if you're concerned about taking care of yourself somewhat, Mending Touch or Restful Breeze help a lot, but those are Nightfall skills.

Thanks yeh, ill think about dumping Final and about the self healing stuff.
Mending Touch seems nice if i changed my mind to have one.

Thanks for all your help everyone! My build rocks now!
I might post my Axe build if i cant find a good one aswell as my Monk Build will probably show up :P

Thanks again!

Nexus Icon · Dec 17, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

Thought as much, but I've never taken a Tyrian character to Cantha without having done the attribute point quests first.

Njaiguni Blaze · Dec 18, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

All i have to say is lol to the above post.

~A Leprechaun~

And I lol back.
Taken straight from wiki:
On average, the highest level axe will do 12.8 damage per second (17 damage per hit), while its sword counterpart would do 13.9 dps (18.5 dph) and the hammer would do 16.3dps (27dph). It is therefore best to invest heavily in Axe Mastery to increase the likelihood of a critical hit and make use of the axe's high end damage. Based on the critical hit research, a max damage axe will produce more average damage per hit than a max damage sword at weapon mastery 11 or higher.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Axe
Thank you.

Nexus Icon · Dec 18, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

This isn't looking pretty...
Those wiki damage stats are unenhanced.
Start adding skills to the mix, and you end up with a very dfferent picture, completely dependent on build.
No weapon is "best".
A good warrior knows which weapon and build to use when.

Njaiguni Blaze · Dec 18, 2006, 12:42 AM // 00:42

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

This isn't looking pretty...
Those wiki damage stats are unenhanced.
Start adding skills to the mix, and you end up with a very dfferent picture, completely dependent on build.
No weapon is "best".
A good warrior knows which weapon and build to use when.

So when you add skills to the picture, the average damage output of an axe is still higher. :/ Also, axe has skills that cause deep wound, disrupt an enemy and cripple and weaken foes (last two need deep wound, but dismember is about a must, plus axe has more deep wound skills).
Sword has bleeding and riposte for farming. Oh, right they have gash. Sure they have degen too, and if you want to do damage, you bring melee attacks. And some of the sword(requiring) skills are defensive, but I was talking about doing damage.
Lastly, my opinion is, if you wanna get it smashed, bring an axe.

BTW, on hammer, I used the if you want to damage in a wrong way, hammers are used for knockdowns and blinding, ticking off casters mostly.

Edit: I still think of the average warrior to be cannon fodder, but I just don't like playing a warrior that much. My mesmer does a deep wound much better and faster, along with degen and I can be a caster's bane more easily.

Nexus Icon · Dec 18, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

You know what?
I think I'll let you alone.
You obviously know more about warriors than people who actually play them...

Njaiguni Blaze · Dec 18, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

You know what?
I think I'll let you alone.
You obviously know more about warriors than people who actually play them...

Sorry, but I made my point and got facts to back it up. I don't see how you brought that. I'm not looking for a fight, but please tell me what I said wrong, and in what way I was wrong about saying it? (We can use PM's if you want, I don't want to "bash" people or be associated with flaming). No hard feelings, but I gave arguments, you didn't.

Xeones The Great · Dec 18, 2006, 01:19 AM // 01:19

ok well it depends what ur doing... is this gonna be for an organized group?

if it is, drop tactics and go 16 sord 13 str w/ full gladiators

skills:
dragon slash{E}
sever
gash
galrath slash
enraging charge
flail
savage slash
rez signet

u willl only have 2 energy skills in there, so e-management shouldnt be a problem

what you do:
use enraging charge and hit ur target
flail
sever
gash
galrath
flail
dragon slash
repeat

try it =]

Age · Dec 18, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

This is my build I don't care what anyone says as I can farm Ettins with it solo and I do switch out distracting for sever artery.I to use halmet of tactics+1 was strengh being Knights with a full set of Gladiators.I switched to rebirth btw it looks like i may have to edit that build.

jesh · Dec 18, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

ok well it depends what ur doing... is this gonna be for an organized group?

if it is, drop tactics and go 16 sord 13 str w/ full gladiators

skills:
dragon slash{E}
sever
gash
galrath slash
enraging charge
flail
savage slash
rez signet

u willl only have 2 energy skills in there, so e-management shouldnt be a problem

If you have 2 energy skills, why use full radiant armor? 13 strength means you can go for sentinel's.

LightningHell · Dec 18, 2006, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Go for +Health.

Nexus Icon · Dec 18, 2006, 07:47 AM // 07:47

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

Sorry, but I made my point and got facts to back it up. I don't see how you brought that. I'm not looking for a fight, but please tell me what I said wrong, and in what way I was wrong about saying it? (We can use PM's if you want, I don't want to "bash" people or be associated with flaming). No hard feelings, but I gave arguments, you didn't.

Okay, put it this way:
I use a sword build that FAR out-damages most single target damage an axe can deliver.
Axe, in it's current state, is best used for spiking, not sustained DPS.
Sword isn't quite as good for spiking (although that's debatable), but can DEFINITELY maintain higher DPS for longer with the right Dragon Slash build.
Hammers have a lot of potential, but are best used as a disruption tool in PvP.
Yes, their base DPS is the highest, but when you start applying skills, it quickly becomes obvious that it was meant for other things than damage.

To come in and base your argument around the base damage of weapons alone without considering skills or adrenaline is just ignorant.
A lot of the people here have been playing warrior for a very long time (I myself since the World Preview event), so we have a reasonable grasp of which weapon does what.

I could go into page long explanations with illustrative examples, but your tone in your earlier posts (sneering, derisive), implies that you wouldn't really pay any attention anyway.
After all, we're just cannon-fodder warriors, what would we know?
We've obviously taken one too many blows to the head.

If you really want me to explain further, go to your precious wiki, dig up an axe DPS build there, bring it back here and I'll come up with a sword DPS build that beats it. I'll even explain why it beats it for you on a blow-by-blow basis.
Hell, even better, learn something about the way warriors work and come up with a build yourself.

Kais Unduli · Dec 18, 2006, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I think it really comes down to personal preference. Some people will simply want to use an axe over a sword, and vice versa. You can toss around all the numbers you want, and it wouldn't really matter. Now you guys are just arguing for arguments sake.

Excaliburs Chaos · Dec 18, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeones The Great

ok well it depends what ur doing... is this gonna be for an organized group?

if it is, drop tactics and go 16 sord 13 str w/ full gladiators

skills:
dragon slash{E}
sever
gash
galrath slash
enraging charge
flail
savage slash
rez signet

u willl only have 2 energy skills in there, so e-management shouldnt be a problem

what you do:
use enraging charge and hit ur target
flail
sever
gash
galrath
flail
dragon slash
repeat

try it =]

Thanks! I might try it!

Stupid Shizno · Dec 18, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Stop getting butt hurt over the axe/sword debate. I honestly dont know why you go swords though, 60% of the enemies in pve dont have flesh, so have fun bleeding them.

Nexus Icon · Dec 18, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Yes, because all sword builds MUST include Sever Artery -> Gash....
:E

A Leprechaun · Dec 18, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I'm not sure its quite 60% of creatures that have no flesh.

~A Leprechan~

LightningHell · Dec 18, 2006, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Most of the time I just ask myself if I want to use a non-attack Elite or not.